D.J. Grothe vs. Rick Shaddock
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A prominent conspiracy theorist has recently been chasing me to do a public debate on various topics, and somehow tracked down my home address. This is my explanation to him for why I refuse to debate him, even though I love doing public debates in general.
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Hi XXXX, I got your stuff in the mail yesterday. Not sure how you got my home address.
I’d like to reiterate that I am not interested in debating you on any of your pet topics. I admit that these topics are interesting to me, but I do not believe it would be fruitful to debate things like your claims of Hillary Clinton having murdered dozens of people personally, nor your 9/11 conspiracy theories, etc.

 

 

Fred Shaddock

If anyone can help falsify the Boeing Remote Control Take Over hypothesis, and explain Ace Elevator Company, it is you. A lot has changed since you ran JREF. "No planers" are discredited. Truthers are skeptics of the Official Conspiracy Theory for good reason. We now have peer reviewed articles in established, independent, scholarly journals.

 

16 March 2024

Only four of Trump’s 44 former Cabinet officials will endorse him. The rest are refusing to, many saying they consider him an existential threat to American democracy. And today, his own Vice President, Mike Pence, announced that is also refusing to endorse Trump. Wake up, sheeple!

If Republican Vice President Dick Cheney is saying this, that’s really something:
“In our nation’s 246-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump." — Former VP Dick Cheney

D.J. Grothe Dick Cheney and his daughter Liz are not supported by most Republicans. He is a RINO. Liz lost re-election by an embarrassing margin because she does not stand for Republican values: peace, prosperity, honesty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/17/liz-cheney-historic-defeat/

D.J. Grothe
Fred Shaddock Yep, she was punished by the cult of MAGA despite being very conservative. But that’s changing the subject again.

Fred Shaddock
D.J. Grothe Cheney is "all hat, no cattle" and works for the Deep State, permanent US Government employees enjoying mansions around DC, and generous benefits, which he considers to be the Republic. But the Republic consists of US citizen tax payers, the real bosses.

D.J. Grothe I was a US Government contractor for many years, and know many permanent USG employees enjoying mansions around DC who are afraid they will lose their cushy jobs with generous benefits, wasting millions of tax payer dollars, doing projects at a ridiculously slow pace, once Trump becomes President. I could have stayed with the Deep State.

D.J. Grothe
 

Fred Shaddock what you were describing now is not the deep state. It’s far more mundane: people who have homes and jobs who want to keep their homes and jobs. That’s very dim of you.
The deep state conspiracy theory says that there is a cabal of people deep in the government with a secret nefarious agenda, deceiving the American public and media about it, and even many elected officials about it, and that they are conspiring privately behind the scenes to carry it out. Most versions of the deep state conspiracy theory have to do with the deep state conspiring to oppose Trump’s supposed utopian vision, and the like. 
The deep state conspiracy theory does not include the trivial fact that there are longtime government employees who don’t wanna lose their jobs or homes.

 

D.J. Grothe What do you think about the 51 "intelligence officers" claiming that Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian disinformation"? It included emails about "10% for the big guy" (Biden and his aliases).
Should they lose their (job) security clearances? TS clearance helps to get jobs, especially in DC. It's like a club.
https://tippinsights.com/shock-poll-8-in-10-think-biden-laptop-cover-up-changed-election

DJ
Fred Shaddock
 you are doing a Gish Gallop, changing the topic

D.J. Grothe The topic of this thread is the Deep State as it pertains to Dick Cheney in the OP. CIA's David Terry delivered the PDB to Dick Cheney. These "public servants" lied to us tax payers who pay for their mansions and pensions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Statement_on_the_Hunter_Biden_Emails

David Michael Rich
My favorite criticism from his cabinet is that of Rex Tillerson who is alleged to have said “the president is a moron.”

red Shaddock

David Michael Rich Let us know when you graduate at the top of your class at NY Military Academy, then Ivy League Penn, then increase the family real estate business in one of the world's most competitive markets (NYC) over 1000 times from millions to billions.

D.J. Grothe
Fred Shaddock Rexx Tillerson was CEO of Exxon mobile. That’s a highly paid position. Don’t be dim, Fred. 

David Michael Rich

Fred Shaddock Firstly, his attendance at military school was remedial for bad behavior, not an achievement. Secondly, it appears his “achievement” at Wharton was to graduate at the bottom of his class. Thirdly, even if one were to strip away all the exaggeration and lies about his real estate career, and even the fact of his successful first run for the presidency, and acknowledge what would legitimately remain as his accomplishments, Trump would never be anyone to respect or celebrate by my yardstick for he is an utter and colossal failure at the single most valuable and noble quest in life, and that is to be a person of good character. To be blinded by bullshit or money is to live a truly and tragically impoverished life. Enjoy it.

ed Shaddock

David Michael Rich Excelling and being elected Captain of the Baseball Team, from tough Military School young men, was not remedial. Some students just did the minimum. Trump wins more because he keeps trying more. He will be our next President. Trump University helped me get over $1 million in real estate. What course could Biden teach- How to accept bribes? Trump can make you rich. Well your name is already Rich. So Richer.

D.J. Grothe "Exxon mobile"
"Don't be dim, Fred."
Exxon Mobil 🙂

 

 

 

31 January 2024

Trump promised he’d bring manufacturing back to the U.S., but never did. But Biden did.


Fred Shaddock

Money printing from nothing by the Federal Reserve makes prices go up without a corresponding increase in value - on everything from apples to APPL stock.

George Brundage

Supply chain disruptions during COVID, btw, is why (and has nothing to do with Biden):
"American manufacturers are increasingly bringing production back to the US to reduce their reliance on global supply chains that proved vulnerable to disruption such as the pandemic.
An overwhelming majority of American companies with production operations in China have already moved some back to the US or plan to do so in the next three years, according to Kearney's 2021 Reshoring Index.
Almost four in five corporations companies have already shifted production to the US and at least 15% are considering it due to high tariffs and ongoing supply chain challenges, Kearney's report shows."

D.J. Grothe
 

George Brundage it has everything to do with Biden. It’s about billions of dollars in investments in on-shoring manufacturing resulting from things like Biden’s combo of various legislative, policy, and executive actions. Things like the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which indirectly supports manufacturing through improved logistics, transportation, and utility systems; the Inflation Reduction Act, which has billions of dollars of investments in clean energy and manufacturing, boosting domestic production of key components in the clean energy transition, such as batteries and solar panels; the CHIPS act, focusing on revitalizing the American semiconductor industry by providing billions in matching funds for chip manufacturing based in the U.S., etc; and through various executive orders aimed at strengthening American manufacturing, including increasing federal purchasing of American-made goods and nudging supply chains for critical goods to reduce dependency on countries like China. He’s also enacted higher labor and environmental standards in American manufacturing, which actually create more sustainable high-quality jobs. Etc

 

D.J. Grothe

31 january

Between 1880 and 1924, some 25 million immigrants arrived in America, mostly from Italy and the Russian Empire. It created a serious anti-immigrant backlash, but without them, America could never have become an industrial superpower — these immigrants provided a seemingly infinite supply of cheap and ambitious labor for America’s factories, and literally built our infrastructure and cities. Since 1965, some 35 million more immigrants have arrived, and their labor has continued to build this country.
In very recent years, contrary to the scare-mongering headlines, refugee immigration is minuscule statistically speaking, legal immigration is less than a million per year, and illegal immigration is statistically *nonexistent* (immigrants seeking asylum are not illegal immigrants). 
Despite the Know Nothing lunatic rhetoric of Donald Trump and the Republican Party, there are fewer illegal immigrants here now than there were at the end of the Great Recession in 2009.
And because of recent labor shortages due to unsound anti-immigration policies, some crops have gone unharvested, and prices for consumers have gone up (labor shortages are a cause of inflation).
The 2 million new immigrants over the last five years is a very good thing for us: without them and their contributions to the American economy, we would all be much worse off. They are one of the reasons the U.S. has had the strongest recovery out of the COVID pandemic of any of the G7 nations.
Consider that the home healthcare field is almost entirely immigrant staffed. As are many other industries and sectors of our economy. And many small towns are being kept alive solely because of immigrants moving into them and providing most of the economic activity. (Small town America has a severely shrinking population; their cultural and economic energy comes from immigrants who do most of the labor, agricultural and otherwise, and without them they would become ghost towns.)
Immigration is a moral and economic good.

 

Fred Shaddock
The 1880-1924 came legally, from high IQ countries, and received little or no Welfare. Biden's army of millions of military aged men are from low IQ countries, could not get a job in their home countries, and most live on welfare at tax payer expense.

 

17 January
Good morning! The word for the irrational fear of palindromes is “aibohphobia,” which is itself a palindrome!
Rick Shaddock
Wow!
Racecar
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Dad! 🙂
   
10 December 2023
Every 5 days in its unprovoked war with Ukraine, Russia loses as many soldiers as the United States lost over the entire Afghanistan war, which lasted 20 years, America’s longest war in its history. Putin treats his soldiers as utterly disposable and worthless, just like Stalin did.
Unprovoked? NATO broke promises and moved closer and closer to Russia. We didn't like Russia putting missiles in Cuba. Orwell wrote in 1984 that wars are not meant to be won. The Military Industrial Complex is profiting well in the DC area.
Aneta.org/stocks

 

 
Would you like to defend the Official Story in the 11th Annual 9/11 Debate on Einstein's birthday 3/14/2025?
www.911Debate.org
A spinning wheel of colors turn flesh.
www.naawp.us/video/colorwheel
4 December 2023
160 federal judges have now been confirmed by the U.S. Senate under President Biden. Of the 160 confirmations, 66% are women and 67% are people of color.
100% are people of color. My color is #FFE0BD according to Home Depot.
Have you ever seen a colorless or invisible person?
I am an official, card carrying, dues paying member of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The NAACP does not discriminate against, and allows me in Zoom meetings.
POC is a racial slur when intended to exclude White people. White is capitalizes as is Asian, Black, and Hispanic.

 

25 November 2023
Abraham Lincoln aged a lot during the seven years from 1858 and 1865, as shown in these two photographs from each year, respectively. This seven year span included the years of the American Civil War, which his wife Mary Todd said had made him look “so brokenhearted, so completely worn out.” He’s 56 years old in the second photo. Lincoln once said, “Sometimes I think I am the tiredest man on earth.”
I share some DNA with President Lincoln. 🙂
Shaddock.net/Lincoln

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Statement_on_the_Hunter_Biden_Emails?

   
14 November 2023
She has reason to lie to get leniency. Actions speak louder than hearsay. President Trump did leave the White House on time, without incident.
I was at the rally on Jan 6, 2021 and observed only peaceful protesters.
TrumpFairfield.com/video/Jan6CapitolTrapDoor

 

11 November 2023
 
10 November 2023
The United States has had the highest levels of real economic growth of all the G7 nations (the largest and most advanced economies in the world) since Covid. Americans should take yes for an answer.

Source: https://www.statista.com/.../gross-domestic-product-gdp.../
Presidents added 1987 - 2024
Trump economy did well until the China Virus.
Remember that inflation makes GDP appear higher.

 

 
 
16 September 2023
 
 

3/24/2024

 

It is stupid to send money to a millionaire from "public service" for 50 years, being
impeached for bribery. "10% for the big guy." (Joe Biden aka Robin Ware, Robert
Peters, JB Ware).

 

 
 
160 federal judges have now been confirmed by the U.S. Senate under President Biden. Of the 160 confirmations, 66% are women and 67% are people of color.
 

Fred Shaddock

100% are people of color. My color is #FFE0BD according to Home Depot.
Have you ever seen a colorless or invisible person?
I am an official, card carrying, dues paying member of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. The NAACP does not discriminate against, and allows me in Zoom meetings.
POC is a racial slur when intended to exclude White people. White is capitalizes as is Asian, Black, and Hispanic.

Fred Shaddock

A spinning wheel of colors turn flesh.

 

 

 
 
 
Inflation, caused by Fed money printing from nothing, causes everything to have a higher price without a corresponding increase in value, from Apples in stock to AAPL stock.
The House of Representatives prepares a budget for the Senate to approve, which then goes to the President for signing or veto (which may shut government down). The China Virus caused massive spending to save lives.
FDR up 791%, Obama 64%, Trump 33%, Biden TBD%.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225

 

John Eastman, architect of Trump’s 2020 conspiracy to steal the election, should be disbarred, judge rules

CALIFORNIA "Judge" Yvette Roland, evidently does not understand that the Constitution that guarantees legal representation to anyone charged. (Even Charles Manson had an attorney.) Nor did she hear that Georgia State's Committee found there was plenty of evidence of fraud. Roland is the one turning a blind eye to evidence. Hunter's Laptop (51 "intelligence" guys said was "Russian disinfo") would have been enough for Trump to win. It is obvious by Biden's low approval numbers that he did not get "more votes than Obama." Her recommendation should be ignored by the Bar.
TrumpFairfield.com/video/AtlantaVoteFraud

 

"California Judge Yvette Roland--handpicked by the Democrat House speaker... Roland's a donor to Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, DNC, ActBlue, and other Democrats."
What could go wrong? If she is really confident that Biden won fairly, why doesn't she want an attorney to challenge the election? Judges are supposed to be unbiased.
https://twitter.com/mrddmia/status/1773408045835358428
Democrats try to disbar attorneys who defend you "for democracy".

D.J. Grothe

Fred Shaddock have you ever met a conspiracy theory you did not like

D.J. Grothe The Official Conspiracy Theory about a conspiracy of 19 small guys (15 Saudis) breaking through a cockpit door of 4 planes, overcoming bigger, military trained pilots, and flying themselves into buildings, not For Good Reason. 🙂

 

I grew up Lutheran, but I was good pals with this kid who was some strain of fundy, Pentecostal I think. One day we were shopping for a gift for a friend of ours. I casually suggested an Ouija board. His demeanor changed and he got quite serious, and advised me that that was a sort of Demonic thing.
Later I became quite enamored of Houdini. One day I was over at my fundie friends place and his mother suggested quite seriously to me that Houdini may have accomplished his escapes because he was in league with the Devil. That point was a starting point of deconversion to me, as I realized immediately that it was pure bullshit. So I knew that at least ~some~ religious ideas were utter nonsense, and how many I realized were nonsense grew over time until complete deconversion.

D.J. Grothe

Matt Crowley I was flabbergasted once when a leader in the cult I joined as a teenager told me with a straight face that the children in his family do not watch David Copperfield, because it’s well known that Copperfield uses demons to accomplish his miracles like levitation 

Fred Shaddock

D.J. Grothe You may be surprised that I (with a 100% score on the Watson Glaser Critical Thinking Appraisal) bought a 2nd home in Fairfield (besides DC) to practice the TM-Sidhis and Levitation in the Golden Domes.

D.J. Grothe

Fred Shaddock Right. But years of “trying to levitate” has resulted in your levitating not even once.

Fred Shaddock

D.J. Grothe I am quite busy and would stop if TM did not save me time and bring progress. Many of your fellow Hollywood celebrities practice TM, as well as gravity expert Dr. John Hagelin (PhD, Physics, Harvard).

What are you working on?

 

Fred Shaddock

Cosmic Consciousness, real magic, and levitation.
Why are there over 100 FlyingSongs.com ?

 

Tayson Peeters
Together with some friends (and fellow mentalists), we have founded a non-profit organization with which we want to promote memory techniques and various study methods to a broader audience, with a lot of attention to scientific substantiation and correctness.K
Our target audience is in principle very diverse, but we are currently focusing on a large project in which we want to help children in poverty or deprivation to study more efficiently and effectively.
It often concerns generational poverty, and education remains 'one of' the best ways to escape generational poverty.
By offering memory techniques, together with various study methods, we hope to be able to do something for these children.

Fred Shaddock

Tayson Peeters TM helped an idiot become a genius, score 100% on the WGCTA, and memorize Pi to 108 places.

 

Not April Fools: 20% of Americans — even Democrats — believe that “the government, media, and financial worlds in the United States are controlled by a group of Satan-worshipping pedophiles who run a global child sex trafficking operation.” (A large minority of your fellow Americans are complete idiots.)

Fred Shaddock

TM turned an idiot into a genius
who believes in the Deep State and that Epstein was murdered (not in QAnon).

 


 

 
Today is the coldest day it’s been in Los Angeles since January 12th. Not a fan!

 

Fred Shaddock

It must be the Global Warming. 🙂

 

When the centrifuge (good for jogging) stopped spinning, the gyroscopic stabilizing effect stopped, and Discover tumbled end over end.
At the 41:30 point in the movie we see the Discovery tumbling, approximately once revolution every 30 seconds, same rate as the Russian Leanov's.
At a rate of 2 rotations per minute, 120 per hour, 2880 per day, 1051920 per year, Discovery did 9.4 million back flips during the 9 years from 2001 - 2010.
Rick Shaddock, Monroe County Tumbling Champion 1972, thanks to TM.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/89479/why-is-the-discovery-spinning-end-over-end-in-2010

 

 

D.J. Grothe

More than 30% of young Black men and 25% of young Black women are Trump supporters. 41% of young white women support Trump, a higher percentage than young white men. And almost 30% of atheists and agnostics are Trump supporters.

 

 
 
DJ: The U.S. economy is the only one in the world right now that is doing even better than was expected pre-pandemic. Thanks, immigrants!
Thanks to President Trump's operation warp speed for the China Virus vaccine!
Here is a WP chart from 12/8/2023.
 
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Fred Shaddock yikes, how's it feel to be a despicable meme-regurgitating NPC?

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Zi Teng Wang My IQ is 156, thanks to TM. What is yours?
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Fred Shaddock it's been a constant in my life that the kind of people who brag about their IQs tend to be the most mediocre, underachieving, pretentious pseudo-intellectuals I've ever met. You might be the first to break that stereotype but I'm not holding my breath
 
 
 
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Zi Teng Wang Fred believes that transcendental meditation raised his IQ. So don’t hold your breath. 

 

 

 

D.J. Grothe Hugh Jackman and many Hollywood actors have said TM improves their ability to memorize scripts.
After Maharishi's passing in 2008, and new TM Certified Teachers never met him, their approach has been (thankfully) more scientific and secular.
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Fred Shaddock don't Hollywood actors also go for things like Gwenyth Paltrow's vagina-rocks and "alkaline water with a spritz of lemon juice" and Scientology and stuff?
Believing that something is good just because popular and successful people endorse it seems like a very low-IQ thing to do, doesn't it?
 
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D.J. Grothe Since Maharishi's passing in 2008, the new TM Certified Teachers who never met him are (thankfully) more scientific and secular in their approach, not even posting his photo. You can ask them any questions for free.